Germanwings, Honeywell Autopilot System and Air France 296

I did some new research on the alleged Germanwings crash, but didn’t find much new stuff. Instead I discovered some old stuff that might be interesting.

 

Investigator Remi Jouty

I reviewed a press conference by a French investigator, Remi Jouty, in the alleged crash, which was published March 25th (the day after the crash) by CBS news. The investigator says it will take weeks or months to analyse the sounds from the black box to determine what happened. However, I believe it was the next day, 26th, when the media got hold of the story that Andreas Lubitz crashes the plane on purpose and ran with the story.

Jouty is asked about rumours that the investigators have discovered pieces of the second black box, but it has been “fragmented into several pieces”. He says they are unfounded, they haven’t found the second box. Jouty comments that in the history of crashes there have been some recorders that have been badly damaged and dented, but he cannot remember any incident where a recorder has been so badly scattered. The fact that one of the black boxes is missing, and the other is badly damaged, makes this Germanwings crash quite unusual. I take it to suggest someone wanted to damage the black box and took the other. Jouty says the data recorders are sturdy equipment, and he’s optimistic they will find it in good shape since they’re combing the site. I don’t think they’ll find it.

Jouty is asked about the possibility of depressurization of the cabin. He responds: “We don’t even have the beginning of a scenario”. At this point Jouty can not give a proper interpretation of what happened. The next day the prosecutor seemed to have come up with the explanation that most of the world is buying.

Jouty mentions the possibility of the automatic pilot controlling the plane. This is the possibility I find the most likely at this point as well. Certainly a more reasonable explanation than the demonization of the co-pilot Lubitz. The plane may have been remotely controlled from somewhere else.

Remi Jouty seems like a genuine investigator who is trying to find out the truth. However, I don’t think he will be able to do that. The people on top probably are not going to let him.

 

Boeing Honeywell ‘Uninterruptible’ Autopilot System

21st Century Wire ran article last August on the Boeing Honeywell ‘Uninterruptible’ Autopilot System, which allows planes to be remotely hi-jacked by the intelligence agencies.  The article says: “There is some evidence to suggest that these may have been operational in some Airbus planes since 1989.”

I don’t know if the Germanwings Airbus had the system installed, or if it was used March 24, 2015, but it’s certainly a possibility worth exploring, since I’m not buying the crazy co-pilot story. Unfortunately I haven’t been able to corroborate the hunch, or Remi Jouty’s suggestion that some sort of remote control or autopilot was used to cause the plane to descend. Nor have I been able to disprove the possibility either.

The Daily Mail has an article “Why can’t airlines seize control of doomed jets from the ground? The technology exists but pilots and companies refuse to use it”, which sounds like a bunch of problem-reaction-solution. The article implies the Germanwings plane did not have any such technology installed, but it seems to be the authors do not know for a fact the plane didn’t have the technology installed. They merely assume this is the case, because Andreas Lubitz did what he is accused of having done. If the plane had had any such control system, Lubitz would not have been able to do it. It’s all based on the assumption that Lubitz is guilty.

While I failed to find anything new relating to the Germanwings crash allegation, I did discover something else.

 

Air France Flight 296

In 1988 Air France Flight 296 was flying as part of an air show. As it tried to land it crashed into a forest killing 3 people. Wikipedia ominously says: “This was the first crash of an A320 aircraft.”

There seems to have been some sort of conspiracy afoot in regard to the investigation of the crash. Wikipedia is trying to white-wash the conspiracy, but AirDisaster.com has a fairly detailed account of it.

Captain, the main pilot of flight 296, Michel Asseline, first officer Pierre Mazière were “accused for injury and manslaughter”. The captain received most of the blame. Prior to crashing into the trees the plane was 30 ft above ground, but the captain said the altimeter of the plane said it was 100 ft. This suggests there was something wrong with the equipment, not the pilots. Moreover some of the flight recorder data had been altered: “since May 1998 it is proven by the report of the Lausanne IPSC that the Flight Data Recorder (DFDR) was substituted after the crash.”

Intriguingly a pilot, Norbert Jacquet, who supported the captain Asseline “was suspended from duty and had his licence withdrawn by Air France on the grounds of “mental instability”. Meanwhile he has got five psychiatric certificates which unanimously state that he is completely sane and does not have any signs of mental trouble. One understands that co-pilot Pierre Mazière, who has continued to fly for Air France after the accident, cannot dare to express himself on the subject.”

There’s a short video of the plane crash on Youtube. There’s a narration saying: “This is the first fully automated plane flown by a computer.” And then it crashes into the trees. This confused me whether the plane was automated or flown by pilots. One website debunks the automation claim by saying: “The common misconception of Air France Flight 296 being an unmanned plane flown by a computer was created after TLC released a show without researching the crash appropriately, and mistook fly-by-wire as a fully automated system, not requiring pilots.”

Clearly the pilots were on the plane if they were convicted at court, and admitted to being on the plane themselves, but maybe the crash was due to something going wrong with a computerized system, such as they were trying to control is remotely and it malfunctioned. Maybe they were testing the Honeywell Autopilot System. However, I’m just guessing here. The captain’s account does suggest a technical malfunction of some sort, though.

I also cannot say if this plane crash from the 80s has anything to do with the Germanwings crash, except that it set a precedent on Airbush crashes in France complicated by a conspiracy to fabricate evidence.

When it comes to the Germanwings plane, it’s been a week and as far as I know they haven’t shown evidence of the bodies nor the wreck of the plane. This does suggest they are covering it up, as does the difficulty in finding the second black box.

 

Links:

Germanwings Flight 9525 black box reveals audio (Remi Jouty press conference):  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6vMF-xueXc#t=158

FLIGHT CONTROL: Boeing’s ‘Uninterruptible Autopilot System’, Drones & Remote Hijacking: http://21stcenturywire.com/2014/08/07/flight-control-boeings-uninterruptible-autopilot-system-drones-remote-hijacking/

Boeing Honeywell ‘Uninterruptible’ Autopilot System: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_Honeywell_Uninterruptible_Autopilot

Why can’t airlines seize control of doomed jets from the ground? The technology exists but pilots and companies refuse to use it: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3013858/Why-t-airlines-seize-control-doomed-jets-ground-technology-exists-pilots-companies-refuse-use-it.html

Air France Flight 296: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_France_Flight_296

Investigation: Air France 296: http://www.airdisaster.com/investigations/af296/af296.shtml

Air France Flight 296 | Airbus A320 Crash: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kHa3WNerjU

Air France Flight 296: https://sites.google.com/site/aicraftcrashes/crash-forums

Andreas Lubitz was not suffering from depression

YLE reports that the co-pilot of the Germanwings plane, Andreas Lubitz, was not being treated for depression. The hospital that treated him denied allegations of depression. This was as I called it; conjecture. The media has convicted Lubitz already, although in civilized countries you are innocent until proven guilty. Lubitz’s guilt is so far only conjecture, allegations and repetition in the media.

YLE also says Lubitz has been hiding an illness, and allegedly he was supposed to have a sick day off when the plane disappeared, but he hid this fact. I cannot say whether this is genuine or made up yet. Though I wouldn’t be surprised if the accusers come up with a scenario that says something like Lubitz found out he had cancer or other terminal illness, and therefore committed the alleged murder-suicide.

I don’t know much about Lubitz, but based on everything I’ve seen it seems much more likely the real perpetrators of this disappearing aeroplane act are trying to hide their crime by framing an innocent man. This is conjecture, I must admit, but I find extremely distasteful how the media, and most people following it, just want someone to hang in the court of public opinion. I saw on the TV news someone compare him to Anders Breivik, who is infamous for the Utøya massacre in Norway. There’s a good possibility Lubitz is innocent. He was probably just a man trying to do his job. I find it reprehensible that he is being blamed for this, and compared to scum like Breivik.

I could be wrong on Lubitz, but he is innocent until proven guilty.

I also heard on the TV news that ALL of the bodies in the crash had been shredded into tiny parts. No body was intact. This settles it, the plane along with the crew was put through a gigantic meat grinder. The remaining debris was scattered all over the mountain. They just have to point to the location of the gigantic meat grinder on the French alps, and case closed.

Seriously, it must be really convenient for anyone who has anything to hide regarding this alleged crash that ALL of the bodies are shredded into bits.

 

Links:

Sairaala: Turmakoneen perämies ei ollut hoidettavana masennuksen takia – väitteille mielenterveysongelmista ei vahvistusta: http://yle.fi/uutiset/sairaala_turmakoneen_peramies_ei_ollut_hoidettavana_masennuksen_takia__vaitteille_mielenterveysongelmista_ei_vahvistusta/7895503

People who knew Andreas Lubitz skeptical that he crashed the plane on purpose

Finnish YLE reports that people who knew the co-pilot, Andreas Lubitz, of the Germanwings plane need more evidence that he would have crashed the plane. The article says he was a decent guy with a girlfriend and a lot of friends. People who knew him cannot believe he would have perpetrated the crime.

This of course supports the suggestion I made yesterday that Lubitz seems like a fall guy. I need more than the word of some anonymous investigators to believe he simply snapped and killed all those people.

BBC writes: “Reports in the German media indicate Andreas Lubitz had been depressed.” If the media says Lubitz was a reptilian shapeshifter or he was the reincarnation of a WWII kamikaze-pilot, then “reports in the media indicate” he was one, but that does not make it true. A BBC transport correspondent asks: “Did he owe money? Was there a grudge? They’ll look at his religion, whether he was in trouble with the law, whether he had a stable love life.”

If you start with the conclusion that Lubitz did what he has been accused of doing, and then try to force a motive onto him, you’ll be bound to find something bad about his history. Everybody has had problems. We’ve been depressed, angry, disappointed, jealous, had monetary problems and so on. Very few actually just snap and commit mass murder. I need more evidence than “he was depressed”. I’ve been depressed too, I guess the only reason I haven’t committed mass murder is that I’m not a pilot.

The article writes: “News site Bild also refers to confidential medical records to assert that the co-pilot went through a “heavily depressive episode”, and that was why he broke off training for several months six years ago”, and adds “However, none of these assertions have been official unconfirmed.” Did they use Google translate and not double-check the sentence? I guess he was being brainwashed by ISIS or something during the “depressive episode”, right?

Another BBC article has one of the rescue workers, Jean Sebastien Beaud, describe the crash site. He says: “As a rescuer you see a lot of accidents and ugly things, but never anything on this scale.” Another comment is: “The scene was surreal. We saw first human remains and as there is no survivors, our mission is to take pictures of the scene”. That doesn’t sound like he’s been a gruesome bloodfest, and seen “ugly things” of a scale he is used to. He’s just calmly describing stuff that doesn’t really sound like a first-hand account.

I do agree with him the scene is surreal. Still no proper wreckage, still no bodies. How about showing at least some of those pictures with “human remains”?

I’m still waiting for the alternative media to wake up and notice there’s something off here, but quite happily Chris Spivey has noticed this whole affair is suspicious. He comments that cockpit doors aren’t that sturdy, and people would get through it in a few minutes whether or not the door is locked. Spivey hasn’t done that much research on the alleged crash, but I know he’s a busy guy. I’m just happy to see someone is thinking around the same line as me. It makes me feel less crazy. I don’t think I’m just making it up that this incident stinks.

 

EDIT: What Really Happened website expressed doubts on the murder-suicide explanation as well:

“Who was Andreas Lubitz? Germanwings co-pilot who ‘intentionally killed’ 150 passengers in deliberate Alps crash

Note the quote marks around ‘intentionally killed’. People are already doubting this story. As this article indicates, there was no indication of a man ready to commit suicide and take 150 people along with him. The story of a suicide/mass murder is the product of this single French Prosecutor who is grabbing his fifteen minutes of fame with sensational claims which newspapers and TV are eager to parrot to attract audience. But not all the parts of the story are substantiated just yet. That the cockpit door was closed is a given, because of security rules. But since the digital flight recorder for the aircraft has not been recovered, there is no factual basis to claim that Lubitz intentionally altered the flight controls, or was even conscious in the cockpit. As other media have reported, the cockpit voice recorder only hears the sounds of the Captain outside the cockpit trying to get in. There are no recorded noise from within the cockpit. Hopefully the DFR will be recovered in a usable condition soon.

There is one other aspect we should look at. There have been previous crashes of airlines blamed on suicidal pilots, such as EgyptAir 990. But behind the headlines of a crazed lone-nut pilot there were indications that EgyptAir 990 was carrying a cargo to Egypt (along with high-ranking Egyptian military officers) that a third party did not wish to arrive. One major clue to the real story of that crash is that a special deep-salvage company that is an expert in toxic and radioactive cargoes was called in to recover something from the wreckage of the plane. So, it will be interesting to keep an eye on the cargo manifest for the A320.”

whatreallyhappened.com

 

EDIT 2: 21st Century Wire writes:

“While authorities have been quick to implicate Germanwings co-pilot Andreas Lubitz, we must consider the following…

The Boeing 777 along with other Boeing models, can in fact be flown remotely through the use of independent embedded software and satellite communication. Once this advanced system is engaged, it can disallow any pilot or potential hijacker from controlling a plane, as the rooted setup uses digital signals that communicate with air traffic control, satellite links, as well as other government entities for the remainder of a flight’s journey.

This technology is known as the Boeing Honeywell ‘Uninterruptible’ Autopilot System.

The mere existence of this technology would most certainly provide the final piece to a number of seemingly unsolved airline disaster puzzles in recent years…

In the YouTube clip below French investigators discuss the possibility of an automatic pilot. additionally, reporters question theories of lithium batteries being held in the plane’s cargo bay.”

http://21stcenturywire.com/2015/03/26/airbus-crash-what-caused-germanwings-to-crash-into-the-french-alps/

This makes sense to me that the plane might been remote controlled by the hi-jackers working with the French government.

 

Links:

Perämiehen tunteneet vaativat lisätodisteita syyllisyydestä – “Hän oli tavallinen mukava poika”: http://yle.fi/uutiset/peramiehen_tunteneet_vaativat_lisatodisteita_syyllisyydesta__han_oli_tavallinen_mukava_poika/7893361

Germanwings crash: German police search co-pilot’s home: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32081681

Germanwings plane crash: Rescuer describes scene: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32075559

Here Isn’t The News: http://chrisspivey.org/here-isnt-the-news/

Andreas Lubitz seems like a Fall Guy

Now we know it all. The co-pilot, Andreas Lubitz, of the allegedly crashed Germanwings plane hi-jacked it, locked out the captain and the rest of the crew, and flew the plane into a mountain. Except that it still does not explain how the plane managed to vanish without leaving any proper wreckage in the mountains. The same goes for the bodies.

Perhaps what they are telling about Lubitz is the truth, but I wouldn’t bet on it. I think it’s all a distraction. Create a monster out of this one guy we know nothing about so we can all hate on him. Natural News wrote a pretty good article initially pointing out how the memory card of the black box was stolen, but now there’s another article suggesting anti-depressants caused Lubitz to be suicidal. It’s just conjecture, and pointless anyways, since whether or not Lubitz did any of the stuff he’s being accused of, he was not working alone.

I’ve pointed out previously how the alps council president Gilbert Suivan seemed to know of the fake story of the plane being disintegrated just a few hours after the plane disappeared. French president François Hollande wanted us to believe everyone is dead before the bodies were found. As far as I know, most of the bodies are still allegedly lying around on the mountain. Hollande (the Flying Dutchman) did not say the passengers are feared dead, he basically said they’re dead. Move along, nothing to see here.

Paul Joseph Watson from Infowars points in his video that possibly the captain who was allegedly locked out maybe could have re-entered the cockpit again by inputting a code to open the door. Quartz website reports the same thing. If this is correct, then it would put in question the story about Lubitz locking out the captain to do a suicide run.

Paul Joseph Watson does not really inquire much further on this relevant piece of information, but instead spends most of his time arguing whether or not Lubitz should be called a terrorist. And then he cements my already existing belief further that he is a passive-aggressive piece of shit by calling conspiracy theorists mentally ill. He refers to people who think the plane crash had something to do with CERN. I think it sounds stupid and irrelevant see any connection to CERN, but I don’t how Watson, who works for Alex Jones’ Infowars, can condemn conspiracy theorists as being mentally ill? I don’t mean to pick on him, but it’s so consistent whenever I watch a video by Paul Joseph Watson he pisses me off by being a complete prick.

Let’s get back on track. Assuming the story that Andreas Lubitz locked everyone else out from the cockpit is correct, then it would follow that people elsewhere in the plane have no way of communicating with the outside world, such as sending a distress message. I assume this is the case, since no-one has mentioned that the crew could have send a message out.

I cannot prove this story about Lubitz is wrong or anything, but I certainly do not trust it. He sounds like a fall guy, a distraction. People are arguing over his mental health or whether or not he should be called a terrorist. How about the obvious elephant who is missing from the living room? The lack of a plane and the victims. How about the way the French authorities tried to steer the conversation? This is not conjecture, this is not semantics. This is the real stuff. I know I’m repeating myself, but these are questions everyone should be asking.

Where is the alternative media on all of this? Have they done any actual investigative reporting, with the exception of Natural News? The alternative media is proving itself irrelevant by not calling out the bullshit. I think they’re scared of being labelled a conspiracy theorist. The alternative media is has become more respectable in recent years, and now they don’t want to tarnish their good name by saying something they cannot be absolutely sure of, so they can be called crazy conspiracy nuts later if it turns out they were wrong. I don’t know what happened with the plane, but I know what I see. And so far I have not seen plausible evidence of any plane crash. I could be wrong. The plane may have crashed as they say. They may a good reason why they haven’t showed any proper pictures, but I’m sure as hell not going to come up with excuses why the main stream media and the authorities have not provided evidence. The burden of proof is on them. I’m just saying based on the evidence at hand, this smells like a cover-up. And where the fuck is the alternative media on this?

 

Links:

Germanwings jetliner catastrophe: The first antidepressant drug-induced mass murder of the skies?: http://www.naturalnews.com/049137_Germanwings_depression_antidepressant_drugs.html

Was the Germanwings Plane Crash an Act of Terror?: http://www.infowars.com/was-the-germanwings-plane-crash-an-act-of-terror/

This video shows how a pilot might have been locked out of the cockpit of Germanwings 9525: http://qz.com/370386/this-video-shows-how-a-pilot-might-have-been-locked-out-of-the-cockpit-of-germanwings-9525/

Black Box memory card stolen from the “disintegrated” Germanwings plane

The first alternative media news site I’ve seen comment on the alleged crash is Natural News, for which I must commend them.  The article says that a memory card from the black box had been taken, possibly to prevent people from knowing what happened to the plane.

Another poignant point Natural News is making is that black boxes are designed to be really sturdy, and survive crashes and explosions. According to the official story the recovered black box was damaged. If that is the case, perhaps someone damaged it on purpose.

A cover-up is underway, it seems, and I think the passengers of the plane are being held hostage. We can’t let them get away with this.

 

Links:

Black box memory card stolen from crash site of Germanwings jetliner? Plausible cover-up theories now taking shape: http://www.naturalnews.com/049124_Germanwings_black_box_cover-up.html#

A Picture tells the absence of a Thousand Bodies

 

Here are some pictures circulating in the media regarding the alleged Germanwings crash.

Garbage Junkyard Letters Moretrash Planepart Germanwings A320 crashes over French Alps-Dobrindt and Steinmeier TrashcanyonJunk

It mostly looks like trash. Some of them look like plane parts, but where’s the rest of the plane? Where are the bodies? Where is the blood? The Mirror says: “We are hearing that many of the bodies are not in a condition that makes it easy for them to be identified by family.” I couldn’t agree more. The bodies seem to have disappeared into thin air.

This is supposedly from the black box. For all I know they took this thing out of a box to claim it’s from the plane.

Redpart

 

There seem to be lots of people there on the mountain doing stuff. They look alive to me. I see cars and helicopters. No crashed plane though.

Mystery Surrounds The Germanwings Airbus That Crashed In Southern France Killing All On Board Media German Airbus A320 Crashes In Southern French Alps A rescue helicopter from the French Securite Civile flies over the French Alps during a rescue operation following the crash of an Airbus A320 Redcars FRANCE-GERMANY-SPAIN-AVIATION-ACCIDENT

 

Then there’s of course some pictures just try to make you get into an emotional victim mentality. Just grieve, don’t ask why or how.

Hugging Emotionalwomen

 

For the record, I haven’t heard a single media source say they aren’t showing us the bodies because the sight is so gruesome. They’re just not showing them. Probably for the same reason they never show the Easter Bunny on TV.

 

EDIT: Here are some pictures of what happens when a plane crashes.

Last year an Algerian military transport plane crashed into a mountain, or hit a mountain slightly and crashed after that. 78 people died, but one managed to survive. The plane doesn’t disintegrate completely.

The Daily Mail wrote:

“-Hercules C-130 was on route to Constantine from the Sahara Desert garrison town of Tamanrasset when it crashed in Oum El Bouaghi province
-99 passengers and four crew members had been on board the plane
-Search and rescue teams have found 74 bodies and just one survivor
-They continue to search the mountainous area but fear the remaining 28 missing people will have perished in the crash”

Compare the last sentence to how the Germanwings incident is treated. It was concluded long ago that the people died. In the Algerian crash they are said to be missing, but feared dead.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2556822/Military-transport-plane-crashes-killing-103-clipping-mountain-Algeria.html

 

In 2011 a smallplane crashed into a mountain in Switzerland. It looks like this.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1356090/Swiss-plane-crash-Five-people-dead-light-aircraft-hits-10-000ft-high-Swiss-mountainside.html

 

Here are pictures of some other crashed planes.

The Germanwings plane may have hit the mountain harder than the planes in the pics above, and therefore be more broken, but it should not disintegrate. This is not a videogame.

 

Links:

Germanwings A320 plane crash: Recap updates: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/germanwings-a320-plane-crash-recap-5395227

I don’t think the Germanwings plane crashed, nor did the crew die

Based on the information available currently it seems flight 4U 9525 did not crash, and the crew is not dead. It’s been over 24 hours and no pics. They claim the plane disintegrated or was obliterated, which sounds almost impossible. The corpses of the victims are supposed to be scattered all over the mountain. Yet there are no pictures of the wreckage and no pictures of blood or bodies. There are some pictures and footage of the mountain, and the area. The weather seems just fine. There just a little bit of garbage strewn about. No plane, no passengers.

The fact that there is no trace of the plane having been destroyed, and no trace of the dead passengers leads me to suspect they did not crash into the mountain. Moreover, French president Hollande and the alps guy Gilbert Sauvan are telling us to believe this crap very early on, much too early for them to know anything, unless they have prior or inside knowledge. If this was an honest accident, Hollande and Sauvan could not possibly know anything about what happened to the plane.

The plane did not slide down in an exceptionally steep manner, says Petri Pitkänen, chairman of Finnish aviation security association, or something. The descent happened during a period of 8 minutes. The investigators into the alleged crash are wondering if the pilots were partially conscious or unconscious and were able to steer the plane in some way. They did not send a distress call, or contact anyone outside the plane. If they were conscious, they should have. Yet the evidence supposedly suggests they did control the plane somehow.

To me this looks like the plane was forced to land. The pilots were told not to send any distress message, or were prevented from doing so with jamming technology. Either someone had hi-jacked the plane from the inside, or there was someone outside forcing it to land, such as the French airforce. Based on the evidence available, this is how the situation looks like. Of course I could be wrong, since I don’t know the full story, but based on what I know this is the narrative that makes most sense.

1. The plane has not crashed, since there is no physical evidence, such as wreckage or bodies.

2. President Hollande (or the Flying Dutchman) and Gilbert and Sullivan were trying to tell us the cover story too early. This suggests they had inside information of this.

3. The plane descended in a controlled manner. Somebody must have been steering it down.

4. The pilots did not send a distress call. They must have been prevented from doing so.

I believe a terrorist group somehow affiliated with the French government hi-jacked the plane. The crew may be held hostage somewhere. What the terrorists want, why they did this, I have no idea.

I’m doing my best not to create another conspiracy theory, but looking at this incident rationally it’s hard to ignore the facts that do suggest a conspiracy had been underfoot. So please, prove me wrong. Prove me the plane crashed to the mountain, prove me the crew is dead lying on the mountain. Please explain to me why no evidence of this has yet been produced. Prove to me that the Flying Dutchman and Gilbert and Sullivan were merely psychic in knowing what the official story of the crash would become before the crash site was properly investigated.

If I am correct, we should not lose hope. The crew, or at least a part of it, may be alive. Let’s try find someway to help them.

 

Links:

8 minuutin liuku tuhoon ja 8 avoinna olevaa kysymystä: http://yle.fi/uutiset/8_minuutin_liuku_tuhoon_ja_8_avoinna_olevaa_kysymysta/7889005