There has been some “drama” among flat earthers as of late, and everyone likes to say they don’t like drama, but I do. Seeing people fight on the internet can be quite entertaining, yet the thing about internet drama is that it is mostly entertainment and does not provide much relevant information, so I usually try to stay away from it.
For me this started with Flat Earth Asshole’s video, that I discussed in my previous post, how he pointed out the how the azimuthal equidistant map and the circular movement model of the sun do not work. This is not the drama, as FEA made several cogent arguments. The drama is that apparently two prominent flat earthers, Mark Sargent and Patricia Steere, have been exposed as shills or something by Youtuber MGTV, whose channel was shortly taken down. I call this bit drama, since who didn’t figure out those two were shills two years ago?
It appears Sargent and Steere are working for a corporation, Metatron Inc, and they apparently have some sort of cellphone app made by Metatron Inc, that is probably spying on you. The kicker is that MGTV found out that the apps of both people were made back in 2010, long before either of them became interested in the flat earth. I’m not sure how the manufacture of these apps work, but I presume you can change the name of the app afterwards, so they probably did not refer to the flat earth back in 2010.
I theorize that both Sargent and Steere were some sort of intelligence assets back in 2010, and they were set to infiltrate the “truth movement”. Back then they or their handlers just weren’t sure what sort of angle they should be pushing. In 2014, the flat earth sprung up and they saw their chance.
Ultimately though, it doesn’t matter what the backstory of these two people is, therefore I call it drama, since it should have been obvious long ago that these people are sketchy, especially Patricia Steere. I think I watched her interview with Rob Skiba back in the day, and saw little reason watch any of her other stuff. Speaking of her, there are even some people saying that she is a tranny, that she is not a 50-something woman, but a 20-something man. I’m not sure if I believe that or not, but it doesn’t seem too far-fetched either.
Yet, it’s not only Mark and Pat that are suspicious in the flat earth community, which should not be a surprise. I take it as granted that whenever there any kind of new movement or subculture, most people are initially against it, but as it refuses to die and gains popularity all sorts of parasitic people will appear. Some people don’t really care about the movement or subculture itself, but they care about the attention, or they find someway to make money off of it. When you add conspiracy theories to the mix, you’ll bound to get some sort of alphabet soup infiltrators or shills. I find most of the prominent Youtubers on flat earth to be suspicious.
Founding Fathers of Flat Earth
In the beginning, there were three major flat earthers on Youtube: Eric Dubay, Math Powerland, and Mark Sargent. Very early on I saw an Eric Dubay video where he showed Math Powerland ranting against anti-Semitism, so I could never take him seriously. Eric Dubay on the other hand, did make several good flat earth videos back in 2014-2015, but nowadays he’s mostly irrelevant, and I’m pretty sure he’s crooked too. So all of these “founding fathers” of modern flat earth research are untrustworthy. And to top it off, Eric Dubay has been exposing many of the as shills from the beginning, although Math Powerland on the other hand claimed Dubay is a shill. What was their game?
If all three were ultimately being controlled by the same source, I suppose the game was that conspiracy researchers probably would not fall for the act of all three of them, so different kind of characters would have to be put in place. Eric Dubay had this intellectual and reserved way of doing his thing. Math Powerland was like a rebellious rock star or something. And Mark Sargent, I suppose (I haven’t watched much of his stuff, to be honest), was laid back and non-confrontational. Back in the day, I prefered Dubay’s style, and also I at least knew who he was before he got into flat earth research. I didn’t know much about him, except he was some sort of conspiracy researcher, and I recall seeing him on the David Icke forum when I used to hang around there too. Sargent on the other hand just popped out of nowhere as some sort of expert. And Math Powerland seemed too Zionist for me.
Or maybe those three are actually controlled by different agencies, and are in some sort of competition with each other. For example, Dubay is CIA, Powerland is Zionist/Hollywood and Sargent and Steere are Masons. Ultimately, though, it does not matter, as long as you recognize that these people are untrustworthy.
Flat Earth Roll-out
Flat Earth Asshole, one of the honest flat earthers in my opinion, pointed out that flat earth has been rolled out on purpose by The Powers That Be. He’s probably right. Why else would Obama say in public “We don’t have time for the meeting of the flat earth society”? Why would celebrities like B.O.B. and Shaquille O’Neill be talking about it? There was even Dr. David Agus who mentioned that the earth is flat a couple of times on CBS interviews, although he is supposed to be talking about the Zika virus. They way he just blurts out “the earth is flat” sounds like mind control. Also once he says: “The world is flat. There needs to be global governance.” It’s just weird. I suppose he’s trying to make the listener to associate flat earth with the need for global governance. I don’t think that guy is just an honest man trying to tell the truth.
So if the masters of our universe are pushing flat earth, does it mean it’s all a hoax then? Is the earth a spinning globe? I don’t think so. One possible reason is that the projections of the intelligence agencies told them back in 2014 that people are beginning to figure out that we have been lied about the shape and nature of the earth. Suppressing discussion about it would be albeit impossible, so the best they can do is either hi-jack the discussion or poison the well.
I should point out that discussion of the flat earth existed on the internet before Eric Dubay came out with his research in Autumn 2014. I do think Dubay popularized the topic, but he certainly wasn’t the first one to talk about it. In fact I wrote about the flat earth already in February 2014, over six months before Dubay’s Youtube videos. I am not claiming I had anything to do with making flat earth the popular topic it is today, but only to point out people were already discussing it. My article “The Earth is Flat!” starts off with:
“Last night I saw a Truther Girls video on Youtube featuring Arron the Barbarian, husband of truther girl Sonya. The video was called ‘Why Do People Think The Earth Is Flat?’.”
Apparently Arron and Sonya also had walked in on a priorly existing discussion on the flat earth. The debate was already going on before Dubay started talking about it. Based on what I’ve heard Math Powerland talked about the flat earth on Youtube back in 2012, and he might have been the first person on Youtube to talk about it, but it does not mean he was the first one on the internet to do so. I don’t know who was, but supposedly there were people back in the nineties already talking about it, and not just the controlled opposition Flat Earth Society.
So I don’t think the flat earth notion, which is basically that there does not seem to be curvature, and that NASA and other official agencies have lied about the shape of the earth, is a psy-op or a controlled roll-out. I do think the origin of the discussion is genuine, and there are plenty of genuine people out there talking about it, but I do think The Powers That Be have inserted many half-truths and infiltrators into the mix. Although the phrase “flat earth” might ultimately end up being a misnomer or a psy-op, since maybe the earth is not flat. I don’t think it’s a spinning ball, but maybe there is another model that is more accurate. I understand that it sounds better to say “the earth is flat” than “there appears to be a distinct lack of curvature when it comes to the earth”, yet we should question even this sort of assumptions and popularized expressions.
Speaking of infiltrators, I learned from Flat Earth Asshole’s video that there is going to be flat earth conference in North Carolina November 9-10. I didn’t even know about it, since I tend not to pay too much attention to these e-celebrities. Among the speakers are Patricia Steere and Mark Sargent. Youtuber ODD TV was planning on attending the conference until he learned about Steere and Sargent’s apparent shillery. Now he won’t. Kudos to him, I like ODD and I’d like to think he is genuine, and at least his behaviour does seem to affirm that he is. The other people who are going to the conference though, are even more suspect now. I don’t really know who many of them are, for some of them I have a vague idea, but the one that saddens me a bit is Rob Skiba. I started following his work before he was even into flat earth, and he seems like a decent guy. His style is very non-confrontational, so I don’t expect him to call out Sargent or Steere the same way that FEA or ODD did, yet it does undermine his credibility to a certain extent if he goes along with the whole thing.
Overall, especially if any kind of flat earther or conspiracy researcher is famous, it’s probably safe to assume they are crooked, until proven otherwise.
I am not saying that Patricia Steere is a mid 50’s tranny JERANISM, IPS, ODD, DITRH, ERIC DUBAY: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_1-SazpHPM
The End of the FAKE Flat Earth: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvryGzjPpz8
Flat Earth – Dividing The TRUTH From The LIES: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8HsXDEokGk
Flat Earth Potato Clues | Mark Sargent & Patricia Steere | Shills: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGWK1pmti54
The Earth is Flat!: https://concordiaabchao.wordpress.com/2014/02/07/the-earth-is-flat/
Flat Earth conference attendees: http://fe2017.com/featuring/