Rob Skiba interviewed Robbie Davidson the other day, and they discussed the flat earth shill controversy. Robbie Davidson is the organizer, or should I say ringleader, of the flat earth conference that is going to take place later this week, and Rob Skiba is one of the speakers. I’ll follow Robbie Davidson’s suggestion: “Be ourselves. Speak from the heart. Stay true to our convictions.” Therefore I’m just going to say that I think Robbie Davidson is a gatekeeper or cult-leader, and Rob Skiba’s words during the interview do not reflect well on his integrity either.
Before I further I’m just to point out that I had very strong suspicions about many prominent people in the flat earth movement, especially Mark Sargent and Patricia Steere, even a couple of years ago. However, I did not wish to create controversy, and I didn’t have definite proof so I didn’t say anything bad about them, but since the Pandora’s Box is open I’m going to speak from heart and stay true to my convictions.
Robbie Davidson was telling in the interview how wonderful the conference will be, how much fun they’re going to have, how it’s great to meet new people and all that. Overall it sounds like an amusement park or a science fiction geek convention, not a scientific research conference. He didn’t mention how people will be introducing new research or breakthroughs. Nothing like that. As far as I understand, the conference tickets cost over 200 dollars, and on top of that you have to pay for your own travel fees, lodging and probably food too. If you have money to burn knock yourself out, but I see little of interest in the event for anyone except for people who like to party.
How about spending all that money that people are throwing about to do some actual experiments? Such as the Force the Line-experiment that Brian Mullin came up with some time ago. Since Mullin seems to have dropped off the face of the earth, it’s probably not going to happen.
Davidson was also gushing about how the media is gaining interest in the conference. So what? It’s just making the flat earth sound like another fad. Maybe it is if people cannot see through the scam.
Rob Skiba brings up ODD and his accusations against Mark Sargent (around 8:00 or so). Davidson says he’s not going to go too deeply into the Metatron app and the domain name, but mentions that “as a webmaster I understand creation dates, editing dates.” And “if someone actually talks to a webmaster. Talks to someone who actually has knowledge in that area, it’s pretty easy to be explained.” He is basically defending Sargent, but he has the audacity to claim that he is not siding either way. He is clearly siding with Mark Sargent. Even this small degree of honesty seems to much for him.
Additionally, if it’s so easy for a webmaster to explain the discrepancies and Robbie Davidson is a webmaster, why doesn’t he explain it to us? I’m not a webmaster, and according to him at least, I don’t understand how it works. Then please explain how this secret webmaster knowledge exonarates Mark Sargent. If MGTV, the Youtuber who exposed all of this, is wrong in his research and accusations, address the points he made in his videos. Simply this omission by Davidson proves that either he is not too smart if he wants to dissuade people form believing that shenanigans are afoot, or he is just protecting shills that got caught.
In one of his videos, MGTV plays a clip of Mark Sargent saying he is not affiliated with Metatron, but right after that admits he knows Ralph Joe Riehl (and presumable Denis Sluka as he says “I know them”) who are working for Metatron. Maybe this is a semantics issue on whether or not you can say he is “affiliated” with Metatron Inc, but he knows people from that company, one of them bought his website domain for him and they made the cellphone app for Sargent. So I find it odd, Sargent would deny he is affiliated with the company. He also states that they bought MarkSargent.com in 2016, but MGTV has pointed out the domain name was bought already in 2010. Please Mr. Davidson, explain how this does not sound suspicious?
MGTV suggests as well that Metatron work with the US government and all that. However, I am not saying that all of MGTV’s claims are necessarily true, but if they are false someone should challenge his claims instead of pretending there isn’t anything there. My doing that the only thing Davidson is accomplishing is possibly pacifying his customers, I mean conference guests, in that there is nothing to worry about. Just go to the conference, spend money, have fun. You might get to be on TV. That’s what life is all about after all, right?
After refusing to address the criticism, Robbie Davidson says that before accusing people of being shills, you should go meet these people, look them in the eye or at least talk to them on the phone. Really? Can any Joe Flatty just call up these flat earth celebrities and have a chat with them? I find it hard to believe. In my opinion Robbie here is pushing celebrity worship onto the scene, since us regular folks know we really can’t just call these people on Skype or something to mention our concerns, so basically he’s trying to create envy, or the desire for us to become celebrities as well. As above, so below, since in Hollywood, the music industry, professional sports and politics are ruled by people who so much “better” than us, so we should look up to them, or try to become like them. As of recent times, the same applies to conspiracy celebrities as well. Unless of course if you buy a ticket to Robbie’s conference, you can be a VIP and hob nob on the red carpet with the stars.
Rob Skiba also contributes to “not defending Mark” (around 15:00) by defending him, and says “he’s a cool person”. Then Robbie joins in to praise Sargent’s personality. So what? His personality is inconsequential. As if being a “nice person” excludes you from being a shill. I suppose the CIA or whatever does not train their agents to have social skills. His personality only matters if flat earth is a social club, which it seems to be, instead of a research community.
Later on Robbie Davidson (19:00ish) talks about ODD and expects him to apologize at some point. What was it that Robbie said earlier about not taking sides? Yet he has already decided that ODD is wrong. Here Robbie Davidson is acting like a complete cult patriarch, a false father figure. He is treating flat earthers like children. ODD disobeyed the rules and he has been cast out, but he can come groveling back. All he cares about is the consensus, his precious “unity”.
I’m just going to say, I’m 99% convinced at this point that Robbie Davidson is an actual shill. A gatekeeper, a mind controller. He is not simply mislead, not biased, not ignorant. He knows what is doing, and what he is doing is deliberately misleading people. He reminds me a lot of David Weiss in his methodology.
Shill Davidson mentions a few times in the interview how unity is important in the flat earth, and all that. He says people can have their own opinions on different issues, but they need to have unity. He sounds like any other liberal NWO globalist like the Pope or Obama saying that we must have unity. This sort of unity is only uniformity to lump people together under one false banner so someone like Robbie Davidson can lead them. Who made him a leader anyway? What makes his qualified for the job? Actually I can answer that; his manipulation skills.
But seriously, what does unity actually mean in the context of flat earth research? Have Christian, atheist, Asatru and Satanist -flat earthers sit in a circle holding hands with AE flat earthers, Pacman-flat earthers and people with no preferable model? Flat earth is supposed to be about scientific research. You don’t need unity. You only need people who are willing and able to do experiments and theoretical research, and have those people share that information somehow. That’s easy nowadays via the internet. I don’t mind if people also hold conferences to share research, but I have seen little evidence that Robbie’s conference is anything but a circle jerk.
The flat earth movement has three major aspects, the most important is scientific research as I said. Others are conspiracy theorizing and the religious aspect. Robbie Davidson and his kind are certainly doing nothing to really expose the conspiracy aspects, except repeating platitudes against scientism that we’ve heard many times before. In fact, when you look at people like Robbie Davidson, David Weiss, Mark Sargent and Patricia Steere, and their behaviour, you can see clear evidence of a conspiracy right in front of you.
At some point Rob Skiba tried to use the tautology of “not everything is a conspiracy” as an argument (20:30). He’s referring to someone who made a video exposing Rob Skiba as a shill. I don’t whether that guy’s video has any validity to it, nor do I care right now, but Skiba was trying to contrast it with ODD’s allegations against Mark Sargent. I just find it rich that a man like Rob Skiba, who has done extensive work on conspiracy theories about supernatural entities such as the Archons or the Nephilim, knock the basic notion that there are co-intelpro agents that occasionally do infiltrate “truther” communities or other fringe groups. I’m not knocking the notion of Archons or Nephilim either, I have written about them in the past as well and I think there is something to it (although recently I have begun doubt whether that’s another psy-op). Yet Skiba is willing to entertain the idea and write books about these supernatural entities that are allegedly conspiring in the spirit world, but it’s somehow ridiculous to suggest that the flat earth movement could have been infiltrated by intelligence agencies.
The third aspect of flat earth research is the religious aspect. Once you come to realization that the earth seems to be a closed unique system, and not just one among billions of tiny dots, it’s hard not to think that there is a creator who made this place.
Robbie tries to play the part of a Christian flat earther, but fails in my opinion. He says (around 31:50) that “there is no doubt” God called them to do this flat earth stuff. I thought it was Robbie Davidson’s marketing ability that called them out to the conference. I can imagine some actual flat earth researchers might have been called out by God to do their thing, but certainly not this shill. Later on he says there are people being hoodwinked by scientism (3435), no argument from me, but then Robbie says something revealing: “We have the answers. We can give them the light. We can give them the good news.”
“We have the answers” sounds rather Gnostic to me. As if Robbie has some secret knowledge to pass on. How about figure out the actual shape of the earth make up a working model before you can say that? “We can give them the light” sounds rather Luciferian/Illuminati to me. “We can give them the good news.” Good news means gospel. This sounds rather heretical to me even though I’m not Christian. Sharing flat earth data is not gospel. It’s not a “salvational issue” as the Christians like to say. It is important, but certainly not gospel, i.e. the exploits of Jesus. Although I’m not claiming these three phrases necessarily prove anything. Perhaps Davidson just worded his thoughts in a bad way, so let’s move on.
At some point Davidson talks about Holocaust Deniers (32:50). He says it’s fine if someone doesn’t believe the Holocaust happened “but why would you even bring that up?” This is more of his double-think. He supposedly accepts it when others question the official Holocaust narrative, but he suggests they shouldn’t talk about it. He says Holocaust Denial diminishes the message, presumably of flat earth. I suppose I agree if you are trying to convince others the earth is flat, and then mention that nowhere near 6 million Jews died in the alleged Holocaust, it can diminish your flat earth message. However, you might as well do the opposite, and say if you are trying to enlighten people about the fact that nowhere near 6 million Jews died in National Socialist concentration camps, and then you mention you think the earth is flat, it might diminish the message. So maybe you shouldn’t talk about the flat earth since it harms Holocaust Revisionism. I also should remind you that somewhere in the interview Robbie said: “Be ourselves. Speak from the heart. Stay true to our convictions.”
So basically you should speak from the heart and stay true to your convictions, as long as you don’t deny the Holocaust.
Davidson seems to think he is the messenger of God, since he says you should focus on what God calls you to do, and apparently it isn’t Holocaust Denial. My interpretation is that what God calls you to do is what Robbie wants you to do. This man is not a Christian. He is a complete fraud. Although he might be honest here, and the god he is talking is not the one you assume he is talking about.
Flat Earth vs Holocaust
Yet let’s look at this dichotomy of Holocaust Denial and flat earth from a Christian perspective, although I’m not a Christian nor am I pretending to be one, unlike some people. First of all, I do not like this dichotomy between these two issues, as if you should ignore one, and embrace the other, but for the sake of the argument, let’s do so.
The Bible has passages suggesting the earth is not a sphere, and that it does not move. The earth has four corners, but God inscribed a circle upon the face of the deep. So basically flat earth, whatever the ultimate shape of it is, is biblical, and realizing it has lead many people to look at the Bible more intensively, myself included. Therefore, I do think it is good for Christians to look into the flat earth.
Let’s look at the Holocaust then. According to the official story 6 million Jews were murdered by the Nazis, and this is somehow much more important than the millions of dead Chinese, Americans, Japanese, Germans, Russians and many others who died during the second world war. This Holocaust lie is used in several ways to control people. For one, it is illegal to deny the Holocaust in many European countries, and many people, such as Ernst Zundel, David Irving and even an 88-year old German grandmother have gone to prison because of it. It is not illegal to deny the globe. You will get ridiculed for it, but you won’t go to jail. Another way the Holocaust is used is by Jewish lobbies such as AIPAC that wield a great deal of influence over the American government, and many politicians seem to care more about Israel than their own country. Then there is the vast amount of shame and guilt that Germans have been made to feel over the decades, and they’re still suffering from it, not to mention lesser degrees of White Guilt in other Western countries.
I am not saying that Hitler was a saint or that the National Socialist did no wrong, but that the way the Nazis have been presented as utterly evil, whereas ignoring the evils committed by the Allies have been ignored.
Because of the Holocaust lie, Germans are still spiritually broken, innocent people have to go to jail for speaking the truth, and it is used as an excuse to shut down criticism against the Israeli war machine.
So you tell me, which is more important for Christians, knowing about the flat earth, which will make you feel better and give you a better understanding of the nature of God’s creation, or exposing the Holocaust lie, which would, if taken to the logical conclusion, help the suffering German people find their sense of self-worth, restore freedom of speech, and eventually it should expose the criminals who hide behind the veil of feigned victimhood and oust them from power. When the Zionist empire is toppled, perhaps speaking truth in other controversial matters, such as the shape of the earth, would become easier as well.
You tell me, which of these matters is more important for a Christian to focus on?
I should point out that although the Holocaust itself, of course, is not mentioned in the Bible, but there are passages referring to the kind of people who have concocted the lie.
John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Revelation 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
TFR – Revolutionary Radio w/ Robbie Davidson: Flat Earth, Shills, Scientism Exposed and Bitcoin: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j724N2r0L_o
MARK SARGENT ORIGINS PART 3. Flat Earth Clues Frontman Exposed!: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBtsBpva5c4
Flat Earth-Force the Line.: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jfr1VcZ2uz8
88-year-old ‘Nazi grandma’ Holocaust denier sentenced to jail in Germany: https://www.nst.com.my/world/2017/10/292002/88-year-old-nazi-grandma-holocaust-denier-sentenced-jail-germany