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The Invisible Curve

I saw a Youtube video yesterday by Marty Leeds addressing another video from Cody Labs channel. The Cody Labs video supposedly demonstrated the curve of the earth by showing a tall chimney in the distance filmed a long distance away from a flat-looking sandy beach. The bottom of the chimney was not visible, which according to Cody means it’s hidden behind the curvature. Whereas Marty Leeds, referring to claims by other flat earthers, ODD TV and Rob Skiba, suggest the bottom part of the chimney is obscured due to atmospheric lensing.

 

Flats and Slopes

What ever the effect that obscures the bottom part of buildings at a distance is called is one thing, but I’m doubtful they’ve hidden behind any curve of the earth. I’ve seen plenty of videos people claiming something is obscured by earth’s curve, and I’ve noticed one thing that seems in common with them: they usually show a flat plane that suddenly just drops down. The land looks flat, there is no curve visible with the eye. No-one ever sees it with they naked eye, yet it’s supposedly there.

To illustrate what I mean, I made this illustration (the small stick-figure observer is on the left, and the chimney on the right):

On the left side image is how all of these curvature demonstration videos that I’ve seen tend to be, and on the right is how it allegedly is. This is assuming that the chimney, or another building, is obscured by the curve. This applies whether we are talking about a video taken over land or water. The land always looks flat, not necessarily perfectly flat, but certainly not round, but magically when you go far enough the earth supposedly curves. We never see the visibly round earth of the illustration on the right. There are round hills on the earth. I’ve seen them. You can see they are round, but the earth’s curvature is like an elusive fairy, always lurking just beyond your eyesight, yet it’s there. They assure us it’s there, at least.

Another thing I just thought of is, if the earth is curved, and buildings far away from us curve away, then shouldn’t the top of the building always be further away from us than the bottom? Like in the illustration above, the top of the chimney is leaning away from us. I suppose someone could test this somehow, are buildings far away from us leaning away?

I am sure a spherical earther would answer the conundrum of the invisible curve to say that the earth is so big that we don’t see the curve. I would ask them then, how do they know it’s curved then? The earth’s curve never looks curved. It’s always flat until there is a sudden slope down at a distance. Based on these claims and observations the earth would be shaped more like this:

 

Except that we don’t really see the angle or the slope. It looks flat, but it’s not. Let’s say that Cody was standing on number 8, and taking pictures of the chimney which is at number 10. If he was to walk from 8 to 10, would he experience a sudden slope down at some point? I don’t think so.

Even if land was somehow curved despite not being visible to the naked eye, water certainly is not. Water does not curve, which means are not living on a ball that has a surface of 70% water.

 

Ad Hominems

Marty Leeds also requested that someone answer the question, how far up do you have to go to see the curvature. And that people did so without trying to dodge the question by addressing another question, or by berating the flat earther with ad hominem insults. This is a nice approach, even if it is increasingly rare. Cody Labs was a rare exception in that he seemed polite and professional even if I disagree with his conclusions.

To illustrate a more common approach to tackling flat earth research we can go this video titled “The Earth is a Sphere and Flat-Earthers are Worshipping the Anunnaki! with Peter Kling” from Russell Scott’s channel. I’ve never heard about Peter Kling or Russell Scott before, but the title basically says it all. According to the video since the Anunnaki of myth ruled over a flat domed earth, flat earthers that believe the earth is shaped like that are worshipping the Anunnaki. Of course the God of the Bible, or the gods of many other cultures ruled over a similar earth as well, but let’s not put facts in the way of a convenient guilt trip narrative. Another claim I’ve heard is that flat earth is like a gnostic secret. When you’ve “indoctrinated” into the flat earth narrative then you’re indoctrinated into a gnostic secret that makes you feel better than others. No, that’s not it at all. Flat earth is the common sense observation, the spinning heliocentric earth is the “gnostic” narrative you learn from high priests of science but have no way of verifying for yourself.

I’d just like someone to actually demonstrate curvature. Show it. Don’t show curious facts, such as ships disappearing behind the horizon and claim it’s due to the curvature. If the earth is a curved ball, they should have no problem demonstrating it with modern technology. Alas, no such thing has ever been made.

I suppose I have to point out that the pictures from NASA are not photographs, they are photoshopped. This is admitted by NASA. Moreover, we all know the earth is pear shaped anyway. Curves work different on a pear than on a ball, apparently.

 

Links:

Measuring Earth’s Radius With A Telescope?: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcdBFfoi3uU

We Need to Talk About Flat Earth: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xJKmKj3Vtk

The Earth is a Sphere and Flat-Earthers are Worshipping the Anunnaki! with Peter Kling: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snHKEnuB64w&t=

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Cubical Earth Model

I was lying in bed wondering about all things conspiratorial, metaphysical and biblical when I had an alternative interpretation for the shape of the earth pop in my head.

If you want to see the model I am proposing, I suggest you skip down to the My Model paragraph. It’s late, I’m half asleep so I ramble on about stuff that probably isn’t news to most people.

 

Flat Earth confessions and Biblical rambling

I don’t consider myself a flat earther, but I am almost a flat earther. The claims of the “scientific” establishment that the earth is spherical sound flimsy at best. The pictures we have of a spherical earth that is actually shaped like an oblate pearoid from NASA are all photoshopped. Moreover I’ve seen plenty of videos from flat earth researchers with weather balloons high up showing no curvature. I’ve seen people show videos showing a city on the other side of a huge lake although the city should be hidden behind curvature. And of course the behaviour of water, i.e. always trying to find level, makes no sense on a sphere. Out in the real world water never behaves like it does on the NASA pictures of the “blue marble” where water curves around the ball. Therefore I don’t think there is curvature.

I also do not think the earth is moving. I reject the heliocentric Copernican model, like most flat earthers. Yet why I don’t consider myself a flat earther is that I don’t subscribe to any particular flat earth model. I don’t necessarily think the earth is flat. Currently though based on what I’ve seen, there seems to be no curvature, i.e. the earth seems flat, but the keyword is “seems”. It is possible we are missing a key piece in puzzle that would turn everything upside down. It is possible (although I don’t think so, yet it is possible) that much of the evidence for flat earth has been faked somehow. So I don’t like to call myself a flat earther. You might think this is an insignificant semantic difference, but it is very significant to me.

What I do believe, however, is that the Bible is the most reliable source of information when it comes to the nature of earth. I don’t consider myself Christian. I do not think that the Bible is necessarily the infallible word of God. I have not found Jesus. I consider myself a skeptic when it comes to most things. This means I tend to resist believing in anything until I have to admit to myself the weight of evidence forces me to believe in what is in front of me. Over the course of many years and theoretical ruminations I have been forced to admit to myself that the Bible usually knows better than all of modernity. Whether its me coming to understand how atheism is deluded cult, or that the Theory of Evolution is a lie or a delusion. I came to understand these things based on reason and observation, which eventually lead me to pay more attention to the Bible.

I don’t know if the Bible is perfect or not, or if it’s been altered or not, or if some sections of it have been cut out. I don’t quite know who or what Jesus is, but as the rulers of this world seem to despise him, there must be something significant about him.

The Bible then is probably the most reliable source when it comes to the shape of the earth (there might be other ancient texts like that, but I don’t know about them). Let’s see some of the basic ideas that flat earther’s usually mention:

1 Chronicles 16:30: “He has fixed the earth firm, immovable.”

Psalm 93:1: “Thou hast fixed the earth immovable and firm …”

Psalm 96:10: “He has fixed the earth firm, immovable …”

Psalm 104:5: “Thou didst fix the earth on its foundation so that it never can be shaken.”

Isaiah 45:18: “…who made the earth and fashioned it, and himself fixed it fast…”

Clearly according to the Bible the earth is unmovable. Very different to the “everything is spinning” -model of Copernicus. The earth is also apparently set on pillars.

1 Samuel 2:8 “For the pillars of the earth are the LORD’s, and on them he has set the world.”

This however opens more questions, such as what are the pillars set on? The Bible also refers to “four corners” of the earth:

Ezekiel 7:2 “An end, the end is come upon the four corners of the land.”

This might mean the earth has four corners, or it might simply be a metaphorical expression.

Genesis 1: 6-7 “And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.”

I’ve found the notion of the Firmament fascinating even before I really understood what it is. It is some sort of solid substance, like a brass mirror that separates the waters above (outer space in modern parlance) from the waters below on earth. This is usually conceived as some kind of dome, like that of a snow globe.

I believe the Firmament exists, although I don’t know it for a fact. It is not necessarily though shaped like a dome though. As far as I know, the Bible does not describe its exact shape.

The earth seems be a circle of some kind, or there is a circle on the earth:

Proverbs 8:27 “When he established the heavens, I was there; when he drew a circle on the face of the deep,”

Now this passage varies significantly in different translations:

King James: “When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:

New Living Translation: “I was there when he established the heavens, when he drew the horizon on the oceans.”

According to my understanding “circle” is the most accurate translation. King James’ “compass” reminds me of the Masonic square and compass. Living Translation’s replacement of “circle” with “horizon” is weird, and seems like deliberate disinformation to me.

Let’s get on with the show. My point is that the Bible does not make clear what the exact shape of the Earth is, but it does mention certain distinctive attributes such as the Firmament and lack of movement. Many flat earthers say the Bible is a flat earth book. I wouldn’t go that far, but certainly the Bible is more a flat earth book than heliocentric spinning ball book.

 

My Model

It’s late, half of my brain is half asleep and finally I can get on with showing the model I came up with. I’ve heard some people mention before that maybe the earth is a cube, but I hadn’t really seen a proper model of it. Anyway, here is the model I envisioned:

The circle of the earth is on the bottom of this cube. The Firmament is the top of the cube, or its “lid”. The cube has walls, probably of some solid material. The reason we don’t see the walls even from a high mountaintop or an airplane is that the earth is so huge, the walls are far, far away. So basically the proportions on the picture are wrong. The circle in the center should be smaller, or the cube around it should be bigger, but you should get the point.

If the earth has pillars, they would probably be under the box, or perhaps they are on the four corners of the box. The blue/green area in the middle would probably be something like the commonly used flat earth map:

 

Perhaps around the edges are the ice walls that many theorize about, or something else. There might be hundreds of thousands of kilometres, maybe even millions, from the edge of the ice wall to the walls of the box.

The box picture above is basically what I imagined. However as I was googling for a suitable cube, I found this crop circle image:

 

It supposedly appeared in 2012 on a field in Britain, I believe. Perhaps that is actually the shape of the earth. On the outside is the circle of the earth, and within the circle is the box. And we are within the box.

One interesting bit I noticed is that if you put “circle inside a cube” into Google image search, you don’t really find any circles inside a cube, but you get pictures of a sphere inside a cube. Were those pictures made by spherical earth Creationists?

I also had an interpretation of outer space, or the blackness we see at night with stars twinkling up there. It might actually be a reflection of hell. Maybe it’s a mirage, an upside down image of hell that is below us. The stars are fallen angels trapped in hell cajoling us with their light. This could be what “as above, so below” means. We don’t see hell from the box, but we see a reflection of it at night. During the day, perhaps we see heaven. This is just an idea though.

I don’t believe in this cube model myself either. Yet the idea popped into my head so I thought I should share it. Maybe someone else has already come up with a similar model, but I haven’t seen it yet.

 

Links:

Thinking outside the box: ‘Crop cube’ that looks like a 250ft 3D block appears in field of wheat: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2209554/Crop-cube-looks-like-250ft-3D-block-appears-field-wheat.html

How does Water curve?

Last summer I was sitting at the table at my friend’s cabin looking at the wide river or estuary. The water was very flat despite flowing forward. I said out loud to my friends: “If the earth is round, why is the water so flat?” Back then I had already done some research on the concept of flat earth, but was still very much on the fence. I’m still on the fence, since I need some new hard evidence to convince me that the earth truly is flat instead of internet conjecture, but I am very doubtful of the heliocentric spinning ball model.

Last week I went on a large cruise ship between Finland and Estonia and I was reminded of the flatness of the sea. Here is a very ordinary picture of the sea. Looks flat to me.

FlatSea

Yet when we see a picture of the spherical earth, the water seems curved. This does not make sense. How does water bend like that? It doesn’t, water always becomes flat and level unless an external force makes it move.

RoundEarth

Is there an external force forcing water to bend like that? Does gravity do that? If that is so, is there any actual pictorial evidence that water bends like that other than composite images from NASA taken from extreme distance? Can you demonstrate the water curve under laboratory conditions? The whole idea of water forming convex shapes is absurd.

I am not suggesting this necessarily means the earth is flat, but that water is, and that fact would suggest that the earth is not round. At least not in the sense we are told.

Do even The Powers That Be know the shape of the earth?

The Flat Earth debate has gained traction in recent months, and I’ve been fascinated by the topic as well. The flat earthers have managed to convince me that the round earth model is questionable, but I haven’t jumped onto the flat earth bandwagon either. I am not a flat earther, nor a round earther. I simply do not know what the shape of the earth is, and I’m not whether anyone does.

The very simple reason why I have began to question the spherical earth model we have assumed to be correct since that’s what we’ve been told is that there no, or at least very few, photographs of the earth, and the scientists do not seem unanimous on the shape of the earth either. The flat earth researcher Eric Dubay has pointed out that we are usually told the earth is round, however nowadays scientists claim the earth is an oblate spheroid, yet Neil DeGrasse Tyson, a supposed expert,  said it’s pear-shaped.

Round

Is the earth round?

Oblate sphreroid

An oblate spheroid?

Pear

Or pear-shaped?

Eric Dubay’s suggestion is that the earth is flat. Might be, but I suggest that perhaps no-one knows what the shape is.

Most, if not all, of the photos we’ve seen of the earth are computer composites, not unaltered photographs. And I’ve never seen anything that resembles an actual photo of the earth where the earth looks like an oblate spheroid or a pear. So where do these “experts” get the notion that the earth is not perfectly round, yet it is sort of round? If people have sent dozens of shuttles into space, why aren’t there dozens or hundreds of photographs of the earth? There are supposedly over 2000 satellites orbiting the earth, and several probes have been sent out into space. You’d think some of them would take pictures of the earth for all to see.

I think the only logical conclusion that can be drawn from these discrepancies is that either they, i.e. people in charge of space agencies, refuse to show us actual photographs of the earth, or they cannot even take those photos. If the first possibility is correct, then there must be something about the earth they don’t want us to know. The earth might be flat, or there might an alien mothership or Nibiru in orbit around the earth, or perhaps photos of the earth would reveal the existence of a secret continent on our planet that we not know about. These are just hypothetical scenarios, though.

Another possibility is that humanity has been unable to go into space, as is therefore unable to take any picture depicting the earth in its entirety. A solid barrier might encase the earth, such as the biblical Firmament, or perhaps there an energetic barrier such as the Van Allen belt that prevents passage. I remember hearing years ago Michael Tsarion say that the earth is surrounded by a Stargate that prevents anything from leaving. It sounded far-fetched back then, but an intriguing possibility that I am not considering seriously. Alternatively, alien overlords, the true rulers of our planet may tell us that if someone sends a probe out into space they will nuke the whole planet.

The bottom line is, I don’t know what the shape of the earth is, or what’s out there in space, and I’m beginning to think no-one really knows, but for some reason there is a vast conspiracy to feed us these accounts of moon landings and other NASA lies. For all I know the earth is round, flat, a cube or a Möbius Strip, but I don’t want to jump on any bandwagon simply for the sake of belonging. I just want the facts.

I do think that many of the flat earthers are either co-intelpro agents, or simply people who jump on the bandwagon to be cool and contrarian, but not all of them are like that. Some of them seem genuine and intelligent. Many of the round earthers have a really strong emotional reaction when someone speaks the heresy that earth might be flat. They react with emotion, and herd-mentality, and resort to name calling and foul language instead of looking at the facts. The fact is, you don’t know how the earth is shaped unless you’ve been up there in space.

 

Links:

Neil DeGrasse Tyson Says Earth is Pear Shaped: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4E9G8fbnZ24

How many man-made satellites are currently orbiting the Earth?: http://www.windows2universe.org/kids_space/sat.html

NASA: Earth from Space: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50gC2rY-30w